Without Craigslist, John Reynolds may not have found his way to Off-Road in Episode 257

It all began with a Craigslist ad for Josh Reynolds. Today, Josh has taken the reins of Fly-N-Hi Off-Road while continuing to nurture his passion and contributing to the off-road community. The shop, known for its expertise in Jeep modifications and custom builds, has become a hub for enthusiasts looking to push the limits of their vehicles. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

4:53 – I moved to Alaska as a mountain guide for a long time as a professional skiing and climbing guide on some of the biggest mountains in the world

8:14 – There was a Craigslist ad for the Baja 1000, it said, do you want to come experience the Baja 1000, and I’m thinking – Hell, yeah, who doesn’t?             

16:20 – I just brought that Mustang down last week, to rebuild the carburetor 

22:37 – I’ve had every Jeep in the world, CJs, YJs, TJs, an LJ and more

31:09 – We had eight batteries, and we’d come into the pit and change the battery, I’d carry it in my lap because the alternator didn’t work 

46:37 –so, literally, the whole thing started from Craigslist

Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast.

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Transcript

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Welcome to Conversations with Big Rich. This is an interview-style podcast. Those interviewed are all involved in the off-road industry. Being involved, like all of my guests are, is a lifestyle, not just a job. I talk to past, present, and future legends, as well as business owners, employees, media, and land use warriors, men and women who have found their way into this exciting and addictive lifestyle we call off-road. We discuss their personal history, struggles, successes, and reboots. We dive into what drives them to stay active and off-road. We all hope to shed some light on how to find a path into this world that we live and love and call off-road.

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[00:01:39.840] - Big Rich Klein

On today's episode of Conversations with Big Rich, I have Josh Reynolds. Josh is a marketing partner with We Rock Events, especially for our Bagdad, Arizona event that we just finished this last weekend. It is his second Bagdad, Arizona event as the host with Fly-N-Hi Off-Road. Josh took over Fly-N-Hi last year, the beginning of the year, and has been running Fly-N-Hi, and thought we'd interview him and say how he's doing and how he got to where he's at. So, Josh, thank you so much for coming on board and being part of Conversations with Big Rich, and it'll be a fun event.

[00:02:23.750] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, thank you, Rich. I appreciate it.

[00:02:25.820] - Big Rich Klein

So let's get started with the question I ask everyone, where Where were you born and raised?

[00:02:32.110] - Josh Reynolds

I hate to admit it, but I was born in Southern California.

[00:02:35.330] - Big Rich Klein

That's all right. Hey, as long as you've escaped, you're good.

[00:02:39.770] - Josh Reynolds

That's right. No, I grew up in Southern California, in Anaheim. Most of my family is still there. We moved to Arizona in 1996. So I've been here in Arizona for the last, I call it 30 years.

[00:02:56.650] - Big Rich Klein

In Anaheim, I guess that's where you got most your school years done?

[00:03:02.330] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, I think I got here to Arizona in sixth grade. I'm not as old as everyone thinks I am. I'm only 43. I got a lot of gray hair.

[00:03:12.380] - Big Rich Klein

Yeah, I have to admit, I thought you were a little closer to 50, but it's only because of the gray hair.

[00:03:21.060] - Josh Reynolds

I get it a lot.

[00:03:22.490] - Big Rich Klein

I was that way, too. But by the time I was your age, I was a lot closer to where I am now. So what was it like growing up in Anaheim? Did you get to Disneyland a lot?

[00:03:38.150] - Josh Reynolds

That was a common thing back then. I mean, it was a better time, right? California was cool back then. It was the '80s, so there wasn't all the BS that they have in California now. But it was a cool upbringing. My parents were still together to this day. My younger brother and I were growing up and just kids in California in the '80s, riding bikes, going to the beach, getting home when the streetlights came on. That's how it used to be.

[00:04:08.640] - Big Rich Klein

Excellent. Anaheim, as far as I can remember, has always been pretty much suburbia. It's not rural like a lot of the outlying areas.

[00:04:18.300] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, no, not at all. I mean, you're in the middle of the city. My parents were big into hunting and fishing and camping, and so we got out every weekend. My dad had an Isuzu Trooper, and that was our four-wheel drive. So we would bop all over the country, going to national parks and camping and being outdoors. And that was our first four-wheel drive that we had.

[00:04:43.410] - Big Rich Klein

So you grew up as an Are you an outdoor enthusiast?

[00:04:46.370] - Josh Reynolds

Oh, 100 %, yeah.

[00:04:47.720] - Big Rich Klein

What is it about the outdoors that floats your boat?

[00:04:53.530] - Josh Reynolds

When I was young, just being out and about, my family was what I was into. And then When I went to college, my undergrad and grad school, I was at NAU, and I got really into climbing, and I actually became a mountain guide. I moved to Alaska for several years as a mountain guide and climbed all over the country. And that's what I was doing for a long time as a professional guide in skiing and climbing on some of the biggest mountains in the world. And that led me to just the adventure part of things. That's how four-wheel drive and off-road started for me as well, is just looking for adventure, looking for something exciting to do. Once you have a family, you got to settle down a little bit from the super extreme stuff, with age comes a cage, saying. Once I got married and started having kids, the extreme mountaineering that we were doing was off the table. That's when I started getting into the off-road stuff.

[00:06:00.310] - Big Rich Klein

And when you were in school, what did you think you would be doing when you got out of school?

[00:06:09.800] - Josh Reynolds

You hear from everybody, right? What I did in college has nothing to do with what I'm doing now, right? It's the same story. My undergrad was in recreational management, and I was actually running a water park for 10 years. So I was a director of safety and security at a water park here in Phoenix. It used to be called Waterworld, and I did that for a decade. I thought I was going to take over the general manager position there and actually went to Six Flags in New Jersey and was offered a position there to run the water park. For some reason, I turned that down. I didn't want to live in New Jersey.

[00:06:52.910] - Big Rich Klein

Imagine that. Sorry, East Coasters.

[00:06:55.470] - Josh Reynolds

Sorry, East Coasters. You can't see the sky. It's weird. But yeah, I turned that down, and then that's when I decided I was going to go to grad school and moved up to Alaska and started guiding full-time. Then I'd come back to NAU for school. I ended up getting my master's in business in 2007. Again, went back to Alaska and kept guiding and just thought it was something fun and adventurous to do. Then actually, when I was writing my thesis for grad school, I reconnected with who's now my wife. We got married and had kids. That's where that all went. But I was running my family's hot tub business for years that we had grown up in. And at one point, my parents wanted to get out of it because they were semi-retired and wanted to be full-time retired, so we sold that business. And funny enough, the whole thing with the off-roading thing and flying high and racing that we've done for years all started with a Craigslist ad.

[00:08:07.730] - Big Rich Klein

Really?

[00:08:09.060] - Josh Reynolds

It's a funny story, yeah.

[00:08:12.060] - Big Rich Klein

So let's hear that story.

[00:08:14.560] - Josh Reynolds

In 2011, this is back like the early days of Craigslist, right? It was big. I was looking for Jeep parts because I had been flipping Jeeps on the side just for extra money and something that I enjoy doing. And we've been wheeling forever. We have Cherokees and TJs and all kinds of stuff. There was a Craigslist ad for the Baja 1000, 2011 with Mag7. And it said, Do you want to come experience the Baja 1000. And I'm thinking, Hell, yeah, who doesn't? The ad was like, free trip to the Baja 1000. So bing, bang, boom. I jump on the computer, I sign me up. I signed three of my buddies up. I didn't even tell them. I called all of them and said, Hey, we're going to the Baja 1000. And all three of them were like, Cool. When? So we went down there. We had an incredible time like you always do at the 1,000. All kinds of crazy things happened, like always do at the 1,000. And on our way back, my good friend at the time said, Hey, what do you think it would cost to buy a race car? And I said, Don't do Right.

[00:09:31.420] - Big Rich Klein

The rest of your life, that's what it costs.

[00:09:33.450] - Josh Reynolds

Exactly, right? It'll never end. So a week later, I was having drinks with some friends, and I said, Man, I had such a great time with the Baja 1,000. It would be so cool to keep doing that. Do you guys know anybody that has a race car? And Chris Doyle, who was working for Daystar at the time, said, Yeah, my buddy, Jeremy Hammer, has an ultra four car. I had never met Jeremy at that point. He said, You should go down to his shop. It's called Flying High Off Road. This was in 2011. He said, On Tuesday and Thursday nights, they work in the race cars down there. Go down there, introduce yourself, and see what happens. I come down and I walk into a shop of people I'd never met before and said, Hey, I'm Josh, and I want to see what you guys are doing. Jeremy is like a big giant Teddy bear and the nicest guy in the world, and basically invites me in says, We'd love to have you as part of our team. And we started racing together. Wow. That's awesome. Yeah, I was still running the hot tub business, but now we had a hobby.

[00:10:43.040] - Josh Reynolds

I was helping out flying high off road with a race team. So Jeremy and Sam and all the guys that were down here doing all this were building race cars, and they were going racing. And we did a lot of ultra four for several years in King of the Hammers, and the Nora races, and all the stuff that we did over the years with UTVs and the pre-runners. And that was just a hobby. It was a hobby for years. Just something fun to do on the weekends and get out with all the guys. So, yeah, that was really cool.

[00:11:14.820] - Big Rich Klein

So before we go any deeper into nowadays, let's backtrack a little bit. Did you ever choke out Chris for recommending that you go to flying high?

[00:11:29.340] - Josh Reynolds

You know, It's funny. This last off-road expo we were all at, he was there. And he walked up and we're in the giant flying high booth with all the pop-up and the banners and all the logoed up rigs and all the stuff that we have there. And he was like, Dude, I can't believe that 14 years ago, I told you about my buddy with a race car, and now you own that company.

[00:11:53.740] - Big Rich Klein

Right. That's how that works sometimes.

[00:11:56.160] - Josh Reynolds

Crazy, crazy stories. Yeah.

[00:11:57.830] - Big Rich Klein

So let's go back to your beginning in driving. You were touring the country and going to national parks and camping and fishing and hunting and stuff with your dad and the trooper. What was the first vehicle you got to drive?

[00:12:15.470] - Josh Reynolds

It was that trooper. It was actually here in Arizona on Table Mesa Road, where we all know and love and go wheeling. I think I was eight years old, and he said, Do you want to drive? I said, Yeah. And I drove it right into a ditch. I can remember it. I drive past that same ditch all the time on the way to a little pan staging area. I can remember that ditch that I drove into. Yeah, that was the root trooper. I ended up crashing it years later. My dad let me drive it in high school, and I was out in the desert in a storm or something doing donuts or something dumb, and I drove it right into a tree and put a big giant dent inside of it. But back then, they had auto shop. In high school, I had auto shop. I brought it in, and everyone thought we were just screwing around, but I was trying to fix the door. Because he said I had to take care of it and fix it. So we were doing bodywork on it and painting it. That's where the initial love of cars came from.

[00:13:25.720] - Josh Reynolds

I didn't grow up with a bunch of cars. That wasn't a thing in family. But I went to auto shop at Deer Valley High School, and so much cool stuff I learned there. And then my first car I bought was a 1967 Mustang GT. I didn't know how to work on it. And I had to have a carburator rebuilt, and the guy wanted like $400. And back then, that was what I made in a month. So I had to learn how to do it myself. And that's where all the wrenching came from.

[00:13:58.530] - Big Rich Klein

How many times did you have to take that carburator on and off to get it to run right after you rebuilt it?

[00:14:06.020] - Josh Reynolds

Probably a dozen. I mean, I did everything wrong you could do wrong, Rich. Back then, you didn't have the Internet. You have a Chilton manual and your dad's craftsman toolbox in the garage.

[00:14:20.590] - Big Rich Klein

With a claw hammer and a... Exactly.

[00:14:24.780] - Josh Reynolds

And an adjustable wrench, trying to keep the thing on the road as a kid, but you didn't know any different. Because you didn't have the Internet and YouTube certified mechanics and all the stuff you have now telling you how to do this stuff. So the wheel would fall off every now and then because I'd put something on backwards or whatever.

[00:14:47.550] - Big Rich Klein

My first vehicle, I've told the story a couple of times, is probably a lot actually, is that was a 54 Volkswagen Bug. Luckily, my dad was a motorhead before that. He was a drag racer and then boats, and everything was performance. The boat motor had multiple carburetors on it for Carter, two barrels. Nice. So we'd always... It was after every season, before the next boating season, we'd tear into it and rebuild the carburetors and stuff. And then when I got my bug, I started with a single Solex carburetor. So It was easier. And then went to twins, a two-barrel, and then twins. And so it was like, I got to learn progressively how to do it. And then I actually had a business for a while in the early days of my rock crawling in the early '80s, rebuilding Rodchester quadrajets for people on the trail for their trail rigs and stuff, because I knew the trick to get them so that they wouldn't flood out on steep inclines or downhills. So it worked out really well.

[00:16:07.600] - Josh Reynolds

That's awesome.

[00:16:08.980] - Big Rich Klein

So then after the Mustang, you got it, you kept it running and stuff. How long did you have that car for?

[00:16:15.870] - Josh Reynolds

I still have it sitting in the parking lot of flying high today.

[00:16:18.020] - Big Rich Klein

There you go.

[00:16:20.280] - Josh Reynolds

Okay. All the guys are drilling over it. I just brought it down here last week. Funny enough to rebuild the carburator.

[00:16:30.180] - Big Rich Klein

But I still have it. You're going to have to have a little class, a lesson with those guys, because they've probably never had a carburator apart, most of your mechanics.

[00:16:38.200] - Josh Reynolds

You're absolutely right, man. It's a lost art form, right? Like these guys are all EFI and everything's fuel injected nowadays. You got to have someone over 60 that knows how to work on a carburator anymore.

[00:16:48.820] - Big Rich Klein

Pretty much.

[00:16:49.990] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah. They look at it like, what the heck is that thing?

[00:16:52.670] - Big Rich Klein

Yeah, nowadays, they just chase a wire.

[00:16:54.890] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, the scanner tells you which wire to chase and how to change the injector. Yeah.

[00:17:02.680] - Big Rich Klein

So what are the plans for the Mustang?

[00:17:05.110] - Josh Reynolds

It's like the ultimate snowball, Rich. Like a rock Crawler or a race car. I feel like if I tear into it, it'll never stop. I built that thing in 2000, and we put a new motor in it. We built a 351 Cleveland for it, and did a new trans, and did some suspension work, and this, that, the other. I mean, that's 25 years ago. But the thing still has drum brakes, original steering. We basically restored it, but the paint job is 25 years old. So going down that road, I'm going to want to do, Okay, well, we just assembled the whole car to paint it, right? So steering. Oh, yeah. Now we want to put a Mustang, too, in the front of it to make it drive nice. And then we got to do this break, and then we got to do Holly EFI. It's just going to snowball. I don't know that I want to mess with it. I I'm going to leave it the way it's been. Just do something else if I'm going to do all that.

[00:18:06.470] - Big Rich Klein

Then don't even open the hood.

[00:18:08.400] - Josh Reynolds

No, just leave it alone. It runs good and it's a fun car to drive. I think I'm just going to leave it alone. Just enjoy it on the weekends, a thing. So with the eight different Jeeps I own down here at the shop and all the other stuff we have, I don't have a ton of time for the old Mustang. Right.

[00:18:26.210] - Big Rich Klein

So let's talk about that the acquiring of Jeeps, but early. So during the Mustang year, early years, you had to get a Jeep at some point. When did that happen?

[00:18:42.870] - Josh Reynolds

It's probably like most people's story starts with an XJ. Back then, I picked up an '89 XJ for a thousand bucks. It's probably a $10,000 Jeep these days. But I got an old XJ with some 31s on it. And that was a big tire back then. To put 31s on an XJ, you had to do a three-inch lift. So I did a little lift kit, and we put some 31s on it, and I built rock sliders for it in my driveway, and my parents house with an Arc welder. And I built my own exoskeleton out of square tubing. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. We pie-cut it and bent it back and well... I mean, it was some red neck ingenuity for sure. But I never had more fun in a Jeep. I mean, every Jeep in the world I've owned at some point. But I've never had more fun in a vehicle than I did that '89 XJ. It couldn't go up a hill without overheating. I couldn't get the flag staff without rebuilding the motor. But it was a freedom thing, right? You don't have to worry about scratching it. You don't care if you take it down a river, which I did several times.

[00:19:59.900] - Josh Reynolds

In the Agua Freya. The parts for it were super cheap. It caught on fire at one point, and the insurance company totaled it out because it was the harness that burned. There was a super cool guy, and I wish I knew his name. But back then, all we had was Arizona Virtual Jeep Club. You'd have to get on your dial-up AOL with the sounds and the beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. I'd get nine minutes of time because you have to buy a prepaid card or whatever back then. I would get on this Jeep club and I had posted that my Jeep had caught on fire and I was trying to fix it. There was some old guy, an old veteran that was an electrical engineer from the military. He came over and spent a whole Saturday with me and rewired my entire harness to make the Jeep run. Wow. Nice. And didn't ask for a penny, I didn't do... Coolest dude in the world. Like I said, maybe he's listening. But I owe that guy a lot because I drove that Jeep for seven or eight more years all through college. Nice. Yeah, but that XJ was the most fun I ever had.

[00:21:17.490] - Josh Reynolds

Eventually, ended up on 35s with the eight-inch lift, which was just ridiculous for an XJ. But that thing would just go anywhere, and I hated it because every time I'd go out, it would break. Damn this old XJ. But it would always be, you could fix it with some bailing wire and some duct tape, and it would always get you home, but it would always break a couple of times on the trip. But it was great. I mean, I wish I had to this day. If I ever see it, it's around Phoenix somewhere. If I see it, I'm going to try to buy it back from them.

[00:21:52.250] - Big Rich Klein

Square tube, exoskeleton and all. Yeah.

[00:21:56.500] - Josh Reynolds

I mean, it had our names written on the hood of it with sharp. But in college, through undergrad and grad school, it was great because we're in Flagstaff and it would snow all the time.

[00:22:10.100] - Big Rich Klein

They're great in the snow.

[00:22:11.690] - Josh Reynolds

They're fantastic. We get these huge storms. No one could get to work, so I would charge people to take them to work. I could drive through all the snow banks and everything, and it would just cruise around and the doors would freeze shut. I couldn't open the rear hatch because the unibody was all twisted up. But I love that XJ.

[00:22:35.010] - Big Rich Klein

Nice. What came after the XJ?

[00:22:37.750] - Josh Reynolds

Oh, jeez. Every other Jeep in the world, Rich. I had a CJ5. We lifted it so high that I couldn't take a corner without it lifting wheels off the ground. Then I had a couple of YJs, two or three TJs. Then I got a nice Rubicon LJ that we put a long arm kit on it, and I kept for a long time just because it's the unicorn, right? Yes. And then once I had both my girls, my wife said, This is too small. You got a dog and a cooler and an LJ and two kids and trying to go camping or whatever. And she said, What about one of these four-door Jeeps? I'm like, oh, God, here we go.

[00:23:23.250] - Big Rich Klein

Soccer dad.

[00:23:24.610] - Josh Reynolds

Dad, they didn't have the best reputation back then. It was the mall Crawler. Right. So I picked up... We were buying a lot of Jeeps at the auction, and I picked up a 12 JK four-door for 12 grand at the auction, and it had both the axles were damaged. So there was an opportunity. And I said, well, if we're going to put axels under it, this is what started. I said, well, I might as well get some curry rock jock 60s with 35 splines and ARBs and all this. If you're going to do it, buy once, cry once. So I told the wife, I said, hey, I'm going to build this thing once. I'm not going to do it again. And at that point, we'd built a bunch of ultra four cars with good all, and we'd seen what worked and what didn't work. And I'm like, If we're going to do it once, let's just do it. So I ordered some wide axles from Curry and an Atlas and one ton drive shafts. And we're going to build this thing to run 40s, and we're never going to have to do it again. I want to make it to where it's not going to break.

[00:24:31.680] - Josh Reynolds

I'm going to put an ultra four car underneath this. So that's what we did, and we've been wheeling it for 10 years. And I'm going to knock on something real quick, but I've never had it break. Right So that's what we're still... It's still one of the shop rigs that we have down here. But through all the flips and all the... I mean, we've probably built 60 LJs, definitely over 100 TJs, probably the 50 range of JKs and JLs. Now we're going to start doing a bunch of these gladiators because the pricing is getting reasonable. But we're still wheeling. I mean, we got the buggy, too. We got an old YJ buggy tons that we take out and play with all the big boys on the crawers. But that family rig, to this day, we're still taking people out in.

[00:25:26.180] - Big Rich Klein

Nice.

[00:25:27.200] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah.

[00:25:28.110] - Big Rich Klein

So you mentioned Good All. You started racing with Hammer. And how did the relationship with Good All start?

[00:25:40.600] - Josh Reynolds

Well, that was mostly your fault, Rich. I'm sorry.

[00:25:43.530] - Big Rich Klein

I'm surprised you That's what you choked me out yet.

[00:25:46.830] - Josh Reynolds

No, that was the Dirt Riot days. Okay. So we had been racing with Hammer for a couple of years, and we did a couple of KOHs, and Glen Helen, and all this stuff, and then did some Dirt Riot races down in and the ones up in St. John's all over. I had invited my good friend Ken Goodall, at the time to a dirt riot race. Same scenario, we went out, we had a great day. We're driving home, and he looks over and says, What do you think it would cost to build a race car?

[00:26:19.290] - Big Rich Klein

The rest of your life.

[00:26:21.860] - Josh Reynolds

I said, Don't do it. And you know how that story ends? Yes. The next day, he He calls me and says, Hey, find me a car. I said, Again, don't do it. But he's insistent. And my buddy Lance had an old TJ rock Crawler on '40s that was a rock Crawler. It was not a race car. This was a TJ with a rock Crawler long arm kit on it and an RCI aluminum fuel cell behind the seat. So we bought it for 12 grand and took it home and did some basic prep and brought it out to a dirt riot race in Congress. And I think it was yellow then, Rich, and I think we made it a mile because that's how far we had to walk back. That RCI aluminum fuel cell that is the cheapest cell you can buy, split in half and dumped all the fuel out of it in the first mile.

[00:27:24.050] - Big Rich Klein

Oh, jeez.

[00:27:26.150] - Josh Reynolds

And again, it was a rock Crawler. It had what? An inch of up travel? Our backs were destroyed, and we're like, What the hell were we thinking? Coming out here trying to play a race car with a rock Crawler. And everyone, we got last place and all the real race cars flew past us, and we're sitting there watching them. So we load it back on the trailer, and we're driving home, and guess what he leans over and says, What do you think it would cost to buy a real race car?

[00:28:01.250] - Big Rich Klein

Don't do it.

[00:28:02.510] - Josh Reynolds

Don't do it, right? So two months later, I get a phone call. I'm at a wedding. I'm in a tuxedo, and I'm at a wedding at the Buttes, and Ken calls and says, I'm out front. I got a truck in a trailer. We're driving to Texas. And I said, Okay, well, as soon as I'm done, I'll come out. And it's a wedding, and we've been drinking a lot. And probably one o'clock in the morning, I walk outside, and there he is sitting in the truck with trailer with his son, Logan, who was... God, back then, Logan was probably eight. He was in the truck and he said, You ready? I'm like, What's going on? He's like, We're driving this to Texas, to San Antonio. There's a guy that has a Jimmy's Chassis ultra four car. I've been talking to him and he'll sell it for this much money, and it doesn't need anything. This is the used race car story, right?

[00:29:03.140] - Big Rich Klein

Right. Oh, it's race prepped.

[00:29:04.970] - Josh Reynolds

Right? We've all seen how that goes. It's race ready. It's ready to go. So this is right when... And we didn't know anything about Ultra 4, except for Jeremy's stuff. We didn't know that much about it. So we drive out there and we jump in this car, and it's a 20 something hour drive. And this thing's bitching. It's got an LS motor. It's got 40s. It's a tube chassis. We rip it around and he's like, What do you think? I'm like, Compared to that damn TJ, this is a rocket ship. We didn't even know it at the time, but we were driving it in low range because we didn't know anything about an Atlas or how it shifted. We thought it was a rocket ship in low range. We get the car, we bring it back. Of course, we get four flat tires on the way home and have to stay in some town in New Mexico for a day and all the normal race car stories. And we get home and we called you guys and said, hey, we got this car. We want to race it in a dirt riot. And there was a dirt riot a week later, so we couldn't get it done.

[00:30:10.120] - Josh Reynolds

But the ultra four nationals were in Wickenburg. That year. I think it was at, was it Thompson Ranch?

[00:30:17.380] - Big Rich Klein

No, that was at Pingatories.

[00:30:20.550] - Josh Reynolds

Okay. So the Ultra 4 Nationals was that year. So they told us that we had the race in that race, and we didn't understand Well, it turns out the reason the reason the guy was selling the car, Ultra 4 came out with new rules about inch and a half chassis. We didn't know anything about that. So Alan What's his last name, Alan? Johnson said, You have to race in the Ultra 4 Nationals and get the car banded to be grandfathered in to ever race that car again. Because we didn't realize the reason the guy was selling the car was because it was an inch and a half car. And Ultra 4 just said no more inch and a half cars that weigh over whatever the weight was. Right.

[00:31:09.180] - Big Rich Klein

Everything had to go to two.

[00:31:09.680] - Josh Reynolds

The car wasn't- Everything had to go to two. Had to go to two, right? Well, we didn't know that. And it was a lot of money to buy that car, so we had to race it. We had a couple of weeks to get the thing together. But of course, we couldn't race it as it was. We had to put bypass shocks on it. We had to do this and that and all this crazy stuff. But that was our The first ultra four race was at that Nationals. They still make fun of me to this day about that race. So of course, we did all this fancy stuff to put bypasses on it and this, that, the alternator didn't work. We didn't know it. We had stolen an alternator off of Buick out there and clocked it differently to put it on because after pre-running, the battery died. Well, I didn't know that much about building alternators at the time, so we thought it was working. It turns out it wasn't working. We had every battery out of everybody's diesels out there. We had eight batteries, and we'd come into the pit and we would change the battery.

[00:32:08.300] - Josh Reynolds

And then I'd take a battery in my lap because I was co-driving and Ken was driving. And we'd go out and do the I slap and halfway through the truck, the car would die, and I'd get out and put a new battery in it. And Jeremy and Sam were racing in his ultra four and all the other guys that we knew that were out there. And I had put the triangles out behind the car. You know You have to take these triangles with you as part of the tech stuff, right? Right. Well, it was my first ultra four race, so I put the triangles out thinking that's what people did. So everyone's laughing at me, making fun of me afterwards. You put your triangles out at the race. No one really does that. It's just for tech stuff. So every time I'm changing a battery, I'm walking down the course 100 yards, putting out all these triangles.

[00:32:56.030] - Big Rich Klein

Making it really speedy.

[00:32:57.970] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, right. So we finished a a half and a half of the whole race. But we had a great time. Obviously, everyone caught the bug because Ken ended up buying a half dozen ultra four cars over the years. We raced for 12 years in total with Jeremy and Goodall and had great times and traveled all over the world. At one point, that's how we started our Jeep business. Ken and I actually were partners for a while at the Goodall shop, building Jeeps and stuff and rock crossers and race cars. They got out of it, which was a blessing in the sky because when I left that building, I called Jeremy and said, Hey, I got to move out of the Good All shop. They're not doing race car stuff anymore. He said, Well, why don't you come down and take over half of Flying High and run your business us out of here because I don't have that much going on. I'd love to have you pay half the rent. That was the biggest blessing you could imagine because we were here for about six months running scavengers off road out of the Flying High building, and he said, Man, you guys are killing it.

[00:34:21.660] - Josh Reynolds

Why don't you just take over the whole thing? Right. That's how we ended up where we're at.

[00:34:28.700] - Big Rich Klein

And that was after the Jeremy, the Flying Hyad had the remodel.

[00:34:35.780] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, Jeremy did the garage rehab in 2019, which was super cool. It's amazing that even worked out. I had been watching the Discovery channel and was watching this show that called Garage Rehab, and I turned off the TV and I sent Jeremy a text with a link that said, If you don't do this, you're an idiot. And next thing you know, he's talking to the producers and he's got interviews scheduled and this whole big thing. And he's like, Dude, this might actually happen. So sure enough, flying high Road got chosen for the garage rehab show, and Richard Rollins and all them came down during Barrett Jackson, January. And coolest thing that ever happened to Fly & High is they guttied this entire place after 40 years in business and redid the entire shop. It was absolutely immaculate. They put in new equipment and new floor and painted the place and remodeled the showroom and did all this awesome work to the shop. Jeremy came back into a whole new business, which was so cool for them. And we still get people that call, Are you guys the guys from the garage rehab show? And we still get those phone calls to this day.

[00:36:03.500] - Josh Reynolds

But it was such a cool show. Unfortunately, it's not on anymore. But they did such great work and they had such cool sponsors. And it was funny when it was all said and done and all the cameras were gone and all the demolition was done and everyone got to take a breath, Jeremy sat down, nothing worked. It was like, Well, shit, the Internet doesn't work.

[00:36:31.850] - Big Rich Klein

And the cameras.

[00:36:32.650] - Josh Reynolds

And my phone is disconnected. They were so concerned about the visual part of things, because that's what you see on the show. So there was a good week where Jeremy is running around, trying to run the business from his cell phone and from a laptop because they didn't really hook anything up.

[00:36:55.620] - Big Rich Klein

Right.

[00:36:57.170] - Josh Reynolds

But yeah, it was funny. But yeah, it was a blessing for sure that they did all that work. And they really took it, the shop at least, because this place was built in 1980. It's the oldest shop in Arizona. And at the time, it looked it. It did. You were there a lot. You remember how it looked? It had the old in-floor lifts with the hydraulic RAMs down on the floor and only half- That leaked or didn't work at all.

[00:37:27.540] - Big Rich Klein

Yeah.

[00:37:28.170] - Josh Reynolds

One side went up and the other didn't. They brought in a bunch of bend-pack lifts, and we've added two more since then, and we've added some additional base since we took over and did our own remodel. But yeah, it just did such a phenomenal job of building the shop for what we do. It's different to build a shop for automotive stuff than it is for rock crawlers and lifted Jeeps and big, giant trucks. And they really did a good job of understanding what we do. And there was some growing pains for sure, because initially the stuff they brought in had nothing to do with our business model. It was like, Hey, here's an exhaust tubing vendor. And we're like, Well, we don't do exhaust work. We need a tubing vendor. We build roll cages. So it was cool, though. They really did a nice job of setting the shop up for what we do, and big lift and big equipment. Our tire machine will do 42-inch tires. Most won't do stuff like that. Correct. It was really cool. Jeremy and all his guys at the time, I was around because I could be here during the event, but he wasn't allowed to be here because they kick all the employees and the owner out during the remodel, and you can't come back till the end.

[00:38:55.830] - Josh Reynolds

So he was calling me every day. What are they doing? What are they doing? Send me some pictures. I'm like, No, you can't see it. It's a surprise. But it was so cool. They did a big parade at the end, and everybody drove in with all the race cars and rock crawlers and had a big party at the end of it. It was just a really cool event.

[00:39:17.220] - Big Rich Klein

Right. Jeremy really enjoyed that that happened. It was a good thing for flying high, that's for sure.

[00:39:27.810] - Josh Reynolds

Oh, yeah. My hats off to Jeremy. He's such a great guy. Everybody that knows him would say the same thing. There was a lot of years that he owned this place, 17 years, where there were some hard years. My hats off to him for keeping it afloat and keeping the name going. I'm super blessed in that when we took this over, we're in a booming economy, and I don't have a parking space in the lot here or the one next door to get a Jeep worked on. As you know, we just had your raptor here yesterday. But yeah, the sport is really growing, and minus the problems that Stellantis and Jeep are having right now, the stuff they're pumping out with these new Jeeps are just amazing. We have a bunch of customers that come in here with brand new Jeeps, and they want to do all this stuff to them. And these things are rolling off the lot with a 35-inch tire, and factory lockers, and 456s, and all It's just it's amazing what you can buy out of the box and how capable it is these days.

[00:40:34.530] - Big Rich Klein

Absolutely. Yeah. And you were talking about from the TJ, LJ, and then all of a sudden, we get the JK. The four doors, soccer mom, utility vehicle, SUV style Jeep. But you know that they really did save our industry at that point because we were in the recession or in some parts of the country, depression. Things were rough, especially if you were a contractor or in anything to do with the trades because of the housing market had taken such a dump, that all the people that have the disposable income that spend it on outdoor activities and going boating or jeeping or camping or hunting, all of a sudden, that was That was the part of the market that suffered. Yeah. Well, Jeep comes out with the JK, and all of a sudden, the suburbanite moms are like, I got to have me one of these They're so cute. Yeah. And of course, the husbands were like, well, yeah, that's more manly than a minivan. So let's do that. And then the people that survived, the companies survived that 2007, '08, '09, and '10, jumped all over at the aftermarket and started creating all the aftermarket parts.

[00:42:11.550] - Big Rich Klein

Plus, Jeep did a great thing in making available all the blueprints. So you could design aftermarket parts without even having a vehicle in the shop. I mean, you got to get that test fitting done and make sure that it's actually going to work from paper to the right process and actually going to work. Engineer plans are great, but engineers are not always... You know, like whoever that engineer was that put the motor starter underneath the intake manifold, that guy I'd like to punch in the face.

[00:42:53.140] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, and that Cadillac motor, that's the best one. Yeah. So, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. The four-door JK reinvented the whole thing, because you could take your family out for the weekend.

[00:43:04.920] - Big Rich Klein

Right. You didn't have to have multiple cars. Yep. And so you got into your scavengers four by four was a means to an end for you. It started off as a a hobby, flipping Jeeps, and then became pretty much your business. I know I get to sit in one of your hot tubs out here at the Hammer's house, they still have one. And I think Shelle and I use it more than Jeremy and Trish do. But every time we're in town, we're in that hot tub.

[00:43:40.540] - Josh Reynolds

It's pretty cool how it's all changed over the years. I mean, again, you talk about the things you went to school for, you don't end up necessarily doing. But yeah, I mean, we go from hot tubs to scavengers off road, building in flipping Jeeps. And we didn't really have a retail business in in that environment. We gained some customers here and there from people knowing us, but we didn't advertise, we didn't have a storefront. We had a one bay shop that we were doing these flips in, and it just grew big enough to where all of a sudden we had a couple of employees. Then when scavengers off road moved down here to flying high, there was this huge potential for space. This is a big property. We two and a half acres down here to do all the things we wanted to do. So it was, again, it was just the right place at the right time. And Jeremy has this great new venture that he's doing with his wife, and they're getting to spend all this time together and travel together. So that was a blessing for them. Absolutely. And it's interesting to see the cycle, right?

[00:44:53.710] - Josh Reynolds

Jeremy had this business, and he grew this business with his daughters. And he has two little girls, and Sam had two little girls, and now they're all grown up, and they're going to do their own thing. And now I have two little girls that are growing up in this off-road business with the Jeeps and the race cars and all this stuff. It's cool to see the same thing happening over and over. Right.

[00:45:19.040] - Big Rich Klein

So I have to ask, how did you acquire Bob?

[00:45:24.220] - Josh Reynolds

That's a good question. So it's the same story as the racing thing. Bob's my right-hand guy. And the crazy thing is he's not an employee. Back when we first started the race thing with Goodall, we started with one race car, then there's two race cars, then there's five race cars. Now we got a bunch of UTVs and we're racing all these different classes. One KOH, we took nine cars, the king of the hammers, which was insane. At that time, as the co- driver, I was in charge of building the race team. So same scenario. I was posting Craigslist ads that said, Hey, you want to go race him? Who wants a hobby? Come play with cool race cars. We'll go around. We'll have a good time. And Bob and actually Dave Oliver, who ended up racing with us for years, and to this day, we just did Nora with last year, Dave and Bob both showed up from a Craigslist ad. They joined the race team. Bob ended up running a lot of the logistics and stuff for the race team. And Dave ended up wanting to drive and bought a bunch of ultra-sport cars over the years.

[00:46:37.630] - Josh Reynolds

So literally, the whole thing started from Craigslist. And Bob's been with us for over 10 years at this point. We built him an office here at the shop, and he takes care of things when I'm not around. But he has a day job. He works in medical billing, and he just does his thing while he's down here. Same thing, gets to hang out and play with cool race cars and go on all these trips and help us plan and build this business. But I couldn't do without him. I mean, he is the best investment ever, especially since he's not getting paid.

[00:47:13.680] - Big Rich Klein

Yeah, a free investment. That's awesome.

[00:47:17.380] - Josh Reynolds

But like I said, I couldn't do without him. He was there at the We Rock this weekend with me the entire time, helping out with everything he can. He does all the trail rides with us. We take all these customers out and helps out. He's got a really nice built Jeep. We always give him a hard time because we say, he always says, I don't get anything for free. I don't get anything for free. But every time there's a vendor or someone here, he's always like, oh, yeah, you got some new raceland wheels, or you got some new dirty lives or something coming out. We could put them on my rig. Right. It gets to test the new parts. We let him test a lot of new parts.

[00:47:54.140] - Big Rich Klein

There you go. Perfect. So what is Let's talk about your primary business or what work you do at Flying High.

[00:48:05.470] - Josh Reynolds

Yep. So 90 % of what we do is Jeeps. We have a 1956 year up to a 2024, and everything in between. So if it's a Jeep, we work on it. We do a lot of lift kits, wheels and tires, bumpers, lights, winches. We're doing a lot of one ton swaps for crate axles and building axles. We're doing gears, drive shafts, the whole part of the Jeep. We're also doing a lot of swaps lately. We've been doing a lot of LS swaps on the early JK that had that 3. 8 liter motor that didn't have any power. So we're doing a lot of LS swaps. We're also putting 4 O's out of the late model Jeeps, the 05, 06, 6 TJs in older CJs. So we have three or four that are here that are older CJ7s that have that 4. 2 and the 3 speed in them. Yeah, that 250 or 258 or whatever it is. Yeah, the 258. We're putting a modern 4. 0 with a 6 speed trans in it with a hydraulic clutch. And the drivability is just so much nicer. It's fuel injected, it runs great, it's got more power.

[00:49:28.830] - Josh Reynolds

You got a high end on on the freeway. So there's a lot that's going on down here. Plus, we do the normal... We build some rock crawlers and do four links and all the fun stuff. But then there's still a part of our business that is big trucks. We do the big 10-inch McGawies lift kits, and someone buys a new Denali and they bring it in and they want 37s on it, and we do the nice wheels and tires and amp steps and the big kits. There's a lot of big trucks that happen. It's not as much as the Jeep world is right now. That just may be because that's what we're marketing towards. We sponsor a lot of the local Arizona Jeep groups, and we go on all these trail rides, and we put on these Jeep events. Our expertise is in Jeeps more than it is necessarily in giant trucks. While flying high, it's known for the giant truck scene, there's not nearly as much of that going on these days as there are people wanting to go out weekend wheeling in their Jeep.

[00:50:38.360] - Big Rich Klein

Very true.

[00:50:41.260] - Josh Reynolds

Eric, who's my general manager and runs the front office here. He counted yesterday. We had 42 Jeeps on the property. Wow. The great thing about Jeeps, Rich, is, as you know, it's not someone's daily driver, usually.

[00:50:59.350] - Big Rich Klein

True.

[00:50:59.840] - Josh Reynolds

So for us as a business, it's fantastic in that you don't need it back tomorrow because you don't have to drive it to work. Right.

[00:51:09.860] - Big Rich Klein

I did.

[00:51:11.470] - Josh Reynolds

Well, some people have to, but there's a lot of them that are our second, third vehicles to where, hey, when I'm booked out two and a half weeks like we are right now, they can wait.

[00:51:23.390] - Big Rich Klein

And they don't mind.

[00:51:24.220] - Josh Reynolds

I'm not in a hurry. Plus, I want these specific parts, and I want to do all these cool things. Well, some of those things have a lead time. They're built to order. So it takes me a week to get all those things. And we have a ton of parts in stock here. I mean, I could build several Jeeps just from our inventory. But everyone wants something specific. So you got to get that stuff here, and then we got to get it into the shop. Now we have six bays. We put an entirely new bay with a 15,000 pound lift on it this year to do the big, big trucks. And these gladiators are getting big, too. When we're 40s on them and one ton axles and all this, they're getting heavy. So, yeah, we got a lot of Jeeps down here, and it's great that our customers aren't needing it back tomorrow.

[00:52:12.930] - Big Rich Klein

So that's a great- They're willing to wait.

[00:52:15.010] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, they're willing to wait for quality work and expertise. And we're a Jeep specialist, and that's what we do. Now, yeah, we build hot rods here and there for customers, and we'll do big lift kits on big trucks. And you buy a new Tahoe or bourbon, and you want to lift it, of course, we do those things. But our bread and butter really is the Jeep market. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah.

[00:52:39.920] - Big Rich Klein

And it sounds good. I mean, do you have any future plans in the works for the property or for the business itself?

[00:52:51.920] - Josh Reynolds

We do. We've been talking to contractors about an expansion to the building because Again, I got eight techs down here and only six bays. So I'd like to have two or three more bays. So we're looking at how to accomplish that on the west side of our property to expand the building. So that's in the works. We brought in four different shipping containers, the 40 footers, just for storage, because we have all these vehicles that are either a race car or a race UTV or a rock installer that don't necessarily need a key to start it.

[00:53:33.690] - Big Rich Klein

So you don't want to leave them in the yard?

[00:53:35.420] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, you don't want to leave them in the yard. I mean, we have a fence yard with security and cameras and all this stuff, but you don't want to risk something. Luckily, we've never had a problem down here. But we also have some great neighbors that are around us that keep an eye on things for us. But one of the things they did during the garage rehab was they put in a phenomenal security system. So we have like 16 cameras all over the property. We've luckily never had any crime issues. But we're going to expand a little bit. We don't want to do anything crazy. I don't have any desire to open more locations.

[00:54:17.030] - Big Rich Klein

That's probably smart.

[00:54:18.810] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, I think with our business model, I mean, I have people... Now that we're in central Phoenix, I have people from all over the state that will drive here. So if your customer will come to you, there's no reason really to go them.

[00:54:30.840] - Big Rich Klein

Right. Because you guys are basically at the intersection of the 17 and the 10.

[00:54:35.990] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, we're right in the very middle of Phoenix. So that's one great thing about our location. When we were in North Phoenix at the Goodall Shop, we would get North Phoenix customers. When you're in the center of Phoenix, I got people coming from way East Valley, way West Valley, Tucson, all over because we're centralized. So while it's not the best part of town, it is a fantastic It's a fantastic location. Yes. Yeah.

[00:55:02.800] - Big Rich Klein

Like you said, with the gated property and the security and everything, anybody that leaves a vehicle there, they're safe.

[00:55:12.390] - Josh Reynolds

Oh, 100%. Yeah. We've never had a problem here with any type of theft or security issues at all. So, yeah, we have a very well-secured parking lot. So people can leave stuff here for long periods of time without any worries.

[00:55:27.840] - Big Rich Klein

So the next question, are you going to buy a car?

[00:55:31.580] - Josh Reynolds

I've actually had a lot of people ask me that. I'm not going to lie and say I haven't looked at them, but I also have watched a lot of my friends, dare me at the beginning and then Good all at the end, spend a lot of money.

[00:55:49.480] - Big Rich Klein

Right. Go down that rabbit hole.

[00:55:51.870] - Josh Reynolds

Going down that rabbit hole, chasing the dream, right? Chasing the impossible dream. We've been very blessed over the years racing that we had a lot of KOH finishes, and that thing that a lot of people chase for a long time that never achieved. Well, we got a lot of those under our belt. To be honest, I think I have more fun co-driving than I would in the driver's seat. I don't know why that is. I don't know. There's nothing wrong with that. I have the rock Crawler, and we got the trail rigs, and we still do some racing here and there. And I'll drive the Race UTV at Nora and stuff like that. But in those big ultra four cars, I don't know. We'll see. I guess it has a lot to do with having little kids. I remember when my daughters were born, I really took a step back and looked at the whole racing thing for a while and was like, Am I really needing to risk all this? And the stress that it put on my spouse and and the kids being gone racing. And it's a dangerous sport. There's a lot of safety things in place.

[00:57:07.920] - Josh Reynolds

I don't ever feel unsafe, but you're going 120 miles an hour through the desert. Like, stuff can go wrong. Yes. You guys, as promoters, Rich, with We Rock and with the Dirtriot Racing and Ultra 4, have done everything imaginable and a phenomenal job to keep people safe. And There's been injuries over the years and things, but- But do-do happens. It happens, right?

[00:57:36.520] - Big Rich Klein

It's nature of the beast.

[00:57:37.980] - Josh Reynolds

I could walk across the street to the store to get a soda and get hit by a car, right? I mean, there's danger everywhere. With all the things that you guys have done over the years to promote and ensure safety and seatbelts and helmets and all the things that we've all learned about the hard way, I think the sport's much better off for it and relatively safe.

[00:58:02.990] - Big Rich Klein

But when you have little ones, you do want to make sure. It's different.

[00:58:08.080] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah. It's like, is it worth the excitement? Is it worth the rush? And I'll be the first to admit I'm an adrenaline junkie and love the big mountain climbing and the skydiving and the race car stuff and going fast and all that. And maybe I just got to get in a different way. But we'll see about the race car thing.

[00:58:29.980] - Big Rich Klein

I was going to tell you, don't.

[00:58:33.150] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah. I got to have that person like I was selling Goodall, don't do it. And God knows what he spent on race cars over the years. But yeah, I know that every time one pops up for sale, I got five people in my ear talking about it. But I think for me, at least in the initial stages of growing, flying high and getting flying high to where I want it to be as a business, it's going to be a couple of years before I can take my attention away from that and focus on racing because that's a full-time job. I mean, that's a lot of time away from the shop, a lot of time away from the family. And that's time that you're not having your eye on the ball of growing your business.

[00:59:22.430] - Big Rich Klein

True. And really, that is a key portion of it there. It's I think that you need to really build it solid so that it almost works without you before you take that leap.

[00:59:40.760] - Josh Reynolds

When you look at the people that do well racing, and over the years, and you look at Ultra 4, and who had the money to spend on it, and you look at Jen Wright, and Tony and those guys. They built a phenomenal business which allowed them to go racing. But you can't put the cart before the horse. We got to build a nominal business, which will allow us to go racing.

[01:00:02.930] - Big Rich Klein

Very true. Yeah, there you go.

[01:00:04.220] - Josh Reynolds

So once we've accomplished that, then the racing thing may be back on the table. But I don't want to spend the money I need to be investing into my business and putting back into my business to grow it and expand it and market it properly on racing to where I can't do that. Exactly. So, yeah, down the road, we'll see if that changes. But at the moment, we're laser-focused on keeping We're going to go high and high, what we want it to be. Perfect. Yep.

[01:00:34.300] - Big Rich Klein

And with that, Josh, I'm going to say thank you so much for being a guest on the podcast. It was a great conversation. I got to learn some things about you I didn't know. And that's always a good thing. And everybody out there, if you're new into a business or you're struggling to create a business, and you have aspirations of having this big empire, remember, the business should come first. First family, then business, then the enjoyment of racing. If you need to, join another team, hang out, get the exhilarity Ration from somebody else spending the money and work on your business.

[01:01:20.780] - Josh Reynolds

Yeah, 100 %, Rich. That's 100 % accurate.

[01:01:23.730] - Big Rich Klein

All right.

[01:01:23.890] - Josh Reynolds

Thank you so much for your time today and all the listeners and fans of what Rich and Cheli everyone does. Thank you guys for listening, and we really appreciate it.

[01:01:33.910] - Big Rich Klein

I appreciate you, Josh. Thank you so much.

[01:01:36.460] - Josh Reynolds

Thank you, Rich. Talk to you soon. Okay.

[01:01:37.810] - Big Rich Klein

Take care. Bye. Well, that's another episode of Conversations with Big Rich. I'd like to thank you all for listening. If you could do us a favor and leave us a review on any podcast service that you happen to be listening on, or send us an email or a text message or a Facebook message, and let me know any ideas that you have or if there's anybody that you have that you think would be a great guest, please forward the contact information to me so that we can try to get them on. And always remember, live life to the fullest. Enjoying life is a must. Follow your dreams and live life with all the gusto you can. Thank you.