Double A Rally Team Angela and Adriana share off-roading insights on Episode 280

In this episode, we delve into the dynamic world of off-roading with Angela Rickerson and Adriana Stovall, two formidable competitors in the Rebelle Rally. Angela, a Seattle native, and Adriana, hailing from California, share their journeys from off-road enthusiasts to competitors in one of the most challenging all-women off-road navigational rallies in the U.S.

Highlights:

• Getting Started in Off-Roading: Angela and Adriana recount their individual paths to discovering their passion for the off-road lifestyle, from childhood experiences in nature to pivotal moments that led them to the Rebelle Rally.
• The Rebelle Rally Experience: The duo shares insights into the rigorous preparation and teamwork required for the rally, highlighting the mental and physical endurance needed to compete. They discuss their goals for the upcoming rally and the unique challenges they anticipate.
• Community and Partnerships: Angela and Adriana emphasize the importance of community and partnerships in their journey, expressing gratitude for the support from companies like Motobilt, KC Highlights, and Front Runner Outfitters that believe in their dream.
• Navigating Personal and Professional Lives: They reflect on how their off-roading adventures balance their careers and personal lives, with Angela’s culinary expertise and Adriana’s environmental consulting career adding layers to their shared passion for adventure.

Tune in to hear their story of resilience, community, and the unyielding drive to succeed in the world of off-road racing. Whether you're an off-road veteran or new to the scene, this episode is packed with inspiration and insights.

Transcript

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Welcome to Conversations with Big Rich. This is an interview-style podcast. Those interviewed are all involved in the off-road industry. Being involved, like all of my guests are, is a lifestyle, not just a job. I talk to past, present, and future legends, as well as business owners, employees, media, and land use warriors, men and women who have found their way into this exciting and addictive lifestyle we call off-road. We discuss their personal history, struggles, successes, and reboots. We dive into what drives them to stay active and off-road. We all hope to shed some light on how to find a path into this world that we live and love and call off-road.

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[00:01:12.780] - Big Rich Klein

My guests this week are a pair of ladies that have found off road as enthusiasts, and then taken that love of the lifestyle and progressed to become competitors within the Rebelle Rally. My guests are Angela Rickerson and Adriana Stovall. Well, hello, ladies. Today, we have Angela Rickerson and Adriana Stovall. They are Rebelle Rally competitors, and we are going to talk to them about their life and how they got into off-road, and find out more about the Rebelle. So ladies, thank you for coming on and being guests.

[00:01:52.960] - Adriana Stovall

Thanks so much for having us, Rich.

[00:01:54.350] - Big Rich Klein

Thanks for having us. Yeah. So let's get started. And with the question ask everybody, Angela, where were you born and raised?

[00:02:04.180] - Angela Rickerson

I was born here in Seattle, Washington, and I've never moved.

[00:02:10.520] - Big Rich Klein

Okay. And Adriana, how about yourself?

[00:02:14.820] - Adriana Stovall

So I was born and raised in Oxnard, California, and I have been in Ventura County my whole life as well. So pretty boring. Never left.

[00:02:23.540] - Big Rich Klein

Okay. So let's... One of the things that I always... Anybody I talk to with Seattle, I always ask about web feet. Angela, do you have web feet?

[00:02:36.540] - Angela Rickerson

Not currently, because it's a beautiful sunny day here in Seattle. But it's very common that we have a rain outside. In fact, I almost always am wearing Crocs, and it's a good option since you don't have to wear socks, then they don't get soggy.

[00:02:56.180] - Big Rich Klein

Right. Dry out pretty fast.

[00:02:58.360] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah, exactly I have to admit, I've never worn a set of Crocs. Please don't. Don't take my advice. I got addicted to them, and they are a fashion... No, they're not good.

[00:03:12.720] - Adriana Stovall

A friend of mine had- They're super embarrassing, but I'm on that train now, too. They're so cool.

[00:03:17.420] - Big Rich Klein

A good friend of mine wore Crocs, and I can remember him taking them off one day, and he had sun-tanned spots. His feet were white, and he had sun spots on his feet from the sun-tanned. And I was like, okay, I will never own crocs. That's hilarious. Anyway, so let's find out a little bit more about your upbringings. Angela, you grew up in the Seattle area. What was life like for you as a kid in Seattle?

[00:03:56.900] - Angela Rickerson

I loved growing up here in Seattle. It's a very good community. I grew up south in a suburb called Kent. It's where I spent most of my young years, and then I spent most of my adulthood in Ballard. It's where I grew up, so I don't really know anything different. But people coming here are often jealous of the fact that we have these gorgeous mountains, and it's green trees, and then We're seconds away from the beach. It's just we have all of the different terrains. The outdoors was really my playground as a child, and it's always been my happy place. It was a great way to grow up.

[00:04:48.040] - Big Rich Klein

Did your family do outdoor things, camping and all that?

[00:04:53.060] - Angela Rickerson

My family, my dad was really into camping, and he would drag us out camping as kids, and I loved it.

[00:05:02.490] - Big Rich Klein

Because when you say drag, it's like maybe I didn't like it, but you did. Good.

[00:05:08.780] - Angela Rickerson

No, I loved it. My family, I'm not sure if everybody loved it. But part of the reason why we camped is because we were just dirt poor, honestly. It was a really great option for a family to go spend the day doing something, and it was low cost. That was my growing up What made me really love camping personally was just being able to get outside. I've never been a fan of being stuck inside.

[00:05:38.140] - Big Rich Klein

Okay, that makes total sense. I understand that completely. Adriana, you said you grew up in Oxnard and Ventura County. How about yourself? How did you spend your youth?

[00:05:52.220] - Adriana Stovall

Because I was born in Oxnard, I grew up in a little beach community called Silver Strand, which was right on the beach. So I spent every morning and every afternoon after school surfing. So I feel really lucky that I grew up on the Coast the way that I did. And Ventura County is just such a special place. I hope nobody finds out how amazing it is here because we don't need any more people moving out here. But, yeah, it's really special. I mean, we have the Los Padres National Forest in our backyard and so many open bike, hiking, and recreation areas, a lot of open space out here, a lot of agriculture as well. So I spent a ton of time outside as a kid and also grew up really dirt poor, didn't do a lot of camping as a family. I can recall a few times we went just because it's a low-cost family vacation, but I didn't really get into the outdoors and off-roading, specifically, until I was an adult. But I think I just realized nature was my happy place and my safe place. So that just grew over time, for sure.

[00:06:58.940] - Big Rich Klein

And most of The girls that I know that grew up in that coastal community area, especially from Santa Barbara, South, took up surfing and other activities. Was that something that you did?

[00:07:18.900] - Adriana Stovall

Yeah, absolutely. So spent a lot of time surfing, a lot of time skateboarding, was more of a rebellious teenager, didn't focus too much on school and following the rules, unfortunately for my mom. But also grew over time and followed me into my adult life, following the rules, not really. Something I like to do often.

[00:07:44.500] - Big Rich Klein

That's what I found about surfer girls. They didn't always follow the rules. Angela, how about yourself? What activities did you do? Did you play sports or anything?

[00:08:00.200] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah, I was really into sports all throughout my high school career. I never really enjoyed school. I actually really, really hated school a lot. I wasn't diagnosed until my 30s, but I am pretty ADHD, and I cannot concentrate when I'm inside and I can't sit still. I really suffered in elementary school and high school in the classroom, but I was very successful in sports. I was a, let's say, five-sport letterman, I believe. I played basketball. That was probably my main sport. Soccer, I played just to stay in shape, but I did love it. My sister was on my team, so she and I dominated together, and that was a lot of fun. Then I also think my most successful sport was track. I had quite a few state titles in track when I ran for federal wing, their select team, which was really cool. I also did a couple of other sports just to stay in shape for my main sports. But anyway, sports was my main thing, and I really loved it. I grew up with brothers. I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest of five. I have two older brothers and two older sisters.

[00:09:41.080] - Angela Rickerson

I always, as a kid, would play outside with my others. I would just get beat up all the time. That was my life. I would play with the boys and the neighborhood boys. I would get my ass kicked every day after school on the basketball court. But what that translated to was me going to school and just being a freaking baller. That was like, he It was a key thing for me in sports. I really love sports. My dad was really into sports, too, and he would always support me and cheer me on from the sidelines, pick me up after school. Having kids and having a million sports is just like such a toll on the parents picking them up and taking them. I was really grateful for my family to be supportive of that.

[00:10:39.240] - Big Rich Klein

Awesome. You ran track. What were your disciplines?

[00:10:47.680] - Angela Rickerson

The 400 was my race. I did the 100, the 200, and then the 400, and then a couple of the relays. Everything else was just to warm up for the 400.

[00:11:04.540] - Big Rich Klein

Right. Wow. Okay, cool. Adriana, how about yourself? You said you weren't really interested in school, but you surfed and skated or skateboarded. Were there any school activities that you participated in?

[00:11:23.000] - Adriana Stovall

No, I was a black sheep. I definitely wasn't wanting to participate in any I ended up actually testing out of high school early and started working at, let's see, 16. I was out of high school pretty early. Like I said, just on the rebellious side, getting into trouble, worrying my mom, et cetera. But I think it forced me to grow up a little bit faster than most and was on the fast track for building a career and doing my own thing at an earlier age than most.

[00:12:00.820] - Big Rich Klein

What were those early jobs?

[00:12:03.640] - Adriana Stovall

Well, I worked a handful of retail and service industry jobs, but then I ended up getting into what is now my career pretty early. I started working for the City of Oxnard's Water Resources Department, and that was a gateway drug, if you will, into the water industry. And I stayed in that space ever since. I started working for an environmental consulting firm after I left the city. I'm focusing on water quality, and it was there for a really long time, and got my undergrad degree while I was working full-time, and then worked for a water district, and then now worked, and then was doing freelance consulting for a while until I started working at my current consulting company, and I'm a watershed scientist. So just have been in the water world, in water wars for almost 20 years now.

[00:12:56.020] - Big Rich Klein

Okay. Interesting. And how about yourself, yourself, Angela. When did the work world start for you?

[00:13:05.840] - Angela Rickerson

I started working pretty young. I think I was about 15 when I started working at a... It was basically like a local ranch. They did a horse camp for kids. I'm obsessed with horses. I've always been obsessed with horses. It was basically my way to try and get free horseback riding lessons. I was a wrangler. Basically, I just cleaned up after horses. Then that turned into me working at this ranch for, gosh, my entire high school career, I believe. I would work there after school, and all summer, I lived there during the summer, so I would just go and be a wrangler all summer. And then it was the most fun thing ever for me being a teenager because I basically had the free run of the place, got to ride horses whenever I wanted. And I I love working with kids, so it was just a really fun thing. And then after that, I worked at Starbucks for seven years. Of course you did. Yeah, I worked at Starbucks forever. And it was before it was the automated stuff that it is now, back in the days when they actually made coffee. It was a real place.

[00:14:55.480] - Angela Rickerson

I worked there for ages. Then I realized that I really wanted to learn a different language because I had never learned another language. It was never forced on me in school, so I never did it. So I decided to go to community college and work on my AA, which I had never done. So I went to college and discovered that I was smart. So I started taking classes, and I was getting a 4. 0, of which I had never really done well in school. I was doing really good in college. I was taking French at the time because I just really wanted to learn a different language, so I did that. Then that snowballed into me taking more advanced classes. Then five years later, I have a double BS in sociology and psychology, and then a minor in French.

[00:16:06.660] - Big Rich Klein

I did a little bit of research on both of you, what I could. Angela, you work now for what is considered a pretty elite, acclaimed French restaurant. Is that correct?

[00:16:27.580] - Angela Rickerson

Yes, that is correct. It's not necessarily It's not necessarily French. It's done with French technique, but it's more of a local ingredient. The chef is from Eugene, Oregon. He trained in France, But it's done with a very pristine French technique. Yeah, it's called Copine, and it's in Ballard. And we were up for the James Beard. We were in the top five for Outstanding Restaurants, which is basically like the Oscars of restaurants in the nation. Yeah, so it's pretty cool. I'm the bar manager there.

[00:17:09.140] - Big Rich Klein

And you've come up with, of course, signature drinks that you do, but also for the restaurant. Is that correct?

[00:17:18.940] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah. So my job is basically, I'm the lead bartender, and I come up with, I don't know, signature drinks, if you will, or just Honestly, I execute the classics well. One of my expertise areas, I would say, is non-alcoholic beverages. I do a lot of things from scratch with non-alcoholic beverages.

[00:17:48.200] - Big Rich Klein

Nice. Considering I'm a non-alcoholic drinker. I used to be an alcoholic, so now I'm a non-alcoholic alcohol drinker, if you know what I mean.

[00:18:01.330] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah, absolutely. I have an adorable child. His name is Hawk. When I was pregnant, obviously, you can't drink, and so you would go out to restaurants and I would ask for a mocktail, and everybody would look at me like I was an idiot. I'm just like, It's not that hard, right?

[00:18:27.760] - Big Rich Klein

Just make the drink without the alcohol, Yeah, but honestly, it really is that hard because you have to make all these flavors meld from scratch.

[00:18:36.800] - Angela Rickerson

But yeah, that fueled my passion. When I came back after being pregnant, I realized there's this whole area that nobody has developed anything. I started making my own non-alcoholic Amarros and Bidders and different flavoring agents and trying to source other things so that I could make something for the non-drinkers that was fun and interesting. Honestly, it's some of our best sellers at work. I'm proud of the program I put together.

[00:19:17.560] - Big Rich Klein

Awesome. That is really cool. We'll get back to your son Hawk here in a minute. Adriana, as an environmental scientist, Consultant, and you're working with Water Resources Boards. Is that what it is?

[00:19:39.400] - Adriana Stovall

Yeah. I'll go into my career a little bit. But I do want to say I want to take you back on what Angela was talking about. I'm also a non-drunker. I've been sober for about a year and a half now. Absolutely love it. Didn't necessarily have an issue, but just cut it out of my life, and it's been such a positive change. I'm I'm so happy that I get to enjoy all of the non-alcoholic mock tales that Angela comes up with. And that's just been like such a joy. But yeah, so going back to my career, I think why I love my career so much is because I spent so much time on the water as a kid and being in a coastal community, also a very agriculture-heavy community, and seeing how pollutants can impact our waterways was just present in my everyday life. Just present in my everyday life, just driving around Oxnard and the Ventura County area, it's so apparent how much we have to focus on preserving nature. But yeah, I work for a consulting company. I have done both private and public industry. I would say that consulting, being in the private sector, is so much more creative and solution-based and exciting to me.

[00:20:56.840] - Adriana Stovall

When I was in the public sector, went private, then back to public sector, and then went private back to public sector and then we're private again. I am determined to stay in consulting forever now. But I just have such a wide variety of types of projects that I get to work on and types of clients. I have a lot of municipal clients working with water districts and counties and cities to help them solve their complicated water quality, water resources issues and get to... So let me back up a little bit. When When I was at my first consulting company, I was there for about 15 years and primarily was in the field. And so I spent the majority of my time doing backcountry research and executing complicated monitoring programs for a variety of pollutants, which was really satisfying, but it was also really difficult work. And so after I left that company, I realized that I wanted more of work-life balance because when I was in the field so often, even though I was such an outdoorsy person, I think it was stealing my joy for the outdoors because I was spending all of my time outside, professionally.

[00:22:14.500] - Adriana Stovall

So on the weekends, I found myself being such a couch princess. I was like, I want all the windows shut. I want the AC blasting. I want a fuzzy robe and my slippers, and I don't want to go outside at all because I'm exhausted. It just really wasn't like for me anymore. So swung the pendulum way to the opposite end of the spectrum and ended up working a dust job, 100% dust job for about six months. I was like, Yeah, this is not it either. So Yeah, it's been interesting trying to find that balance. But I spent a lot of time outside professionally, and I think it was to my advantage when I found the rebel. Also spent a lot of time doing backcountry research out on the channel Islands, actually, when I was getting my undergrad. I was doing a lot of research in the National Marine Sanctuary for the channel Islands for my thesis. Just tons of time in the outdoors.

[00:23:21.220] - Big Rich Klein

Awesome. And so how did your interest in off-road develop?

[00:23:32.220] - Adriana Stovall

So that was definitely... I'm going to give my son all the credit here. So he was such a wild child as a toddler, and did not belong in civilization at all. He was loud and ridiculous and embarrassing in all of the ways that toddlers can be. He was just all boy, just noise of dirt on it. And I was like, City life really isn't for us. And So we started doing a ton of camping together as a family, and a lot of solo camping as well. His dad and I are divorced. And even when we were married, he worked a pretty hard schedule. And so I had to do a lot of parenting solo and just found a lot of relief and a lot of joy in the outdoors. So we started going camping and backpacking, and off-roading when he was pretty young, and it just grew from there.

[00:24:30.380] - Big Rich Klein

Okay. What was that first off-road vehicle that you were able to own or navigate?

[00:24:39.460] - Adriana Stovall

Well, I actually spent a lot of time off-roading my two-wheel drive Ford Escape. Probably shouldn't have done any of the things that I did in it, but I did it for years, and it got us everywhere we needed to go. Camped all over the West Coast and that thing. Then I bought my 4-runner, a 2016 4-runner, which is the car that I still have today, and I will never get rid of that car. It's been my favorite vehicle of all time, and I spent a lot of time building it and modifying it and getting it exactly how I want for the off-roading and overlanding that I like to do. I'm not like Angela. The type of off-roading that she does in the Pacific Northwest is very Jeep, rock-crawling, more complicated. I'm more of an overlander. I have all the provisions in my car with the fridge and the lights and the roof rack and the rooftop tent and stuff like that. So that's the type of off-roading that I like to do best. Lots of national parks and PLM land and dispersed camping that I've done in that thing, and that really opened the door for me.

[00:25:48.760] - Adriana Stovall

I'm just a Toyota girl through and through.

[00:25:51.730] - Big Rich Klein

There you go. How is your son now? Is he still loud and covered in dirt?

[00:25:57.620] - Adriana Stovall

Oh, yeah. Well, he's 13 now. And so we have had all the adventures we could ever dream of and hope for together. It was funny. I was telling a friend of mine a couple of weeks ago that he was a cub scout, like Boy Scout, and we had done so much adventuring together. And when I signed him up when he was in kindergarten, he went to the very first meeting that they had, and he was bored to tears. He's like, Mom, these kids have never slept in a tent before. What am I doing here? He He hated it. He was very judgy. He ended up having a great time and was in Boy Scouts for a couple of years, and we did a lot of things together. But I think I just have given him so much more amazing, rad, adventurous of a childhood than I think he realizes, and that's all he's ever known. I'm hoping that he'll have this epiphany when he's an adult and has kids of his own. Like, holy shit, my mom did all that stuff with me. That's awesome. It's grown over time. So he's an avid fisherman. He loves his dirt bike.

[00:27:02.920] - Adriana Stovall

We'd spend a lot of time out in the desert. So I'll be following him in the forerunner, and he's up ahead of me on his dirt bike, and we're just doing all these trails together. And it's just a really special time. We spend a lot of time now camping on our trailer that I bought last year because all the dirt bikes, and he comes back and he's trying to crawl in the tent. And I'm like, You're disgusting. We need a shower. We need a trailer. Yeah. That's all we do. We're camping all year long.

[00:27:35.840] - Big Rich Klein

Nice. Angela, how about yourself? How did your off-road life begin?

[00:27:47.280] - Angela Rickerson

Well, I've always been really into cars. My dad loved cars. He was one of those guys that would... Any car passes you on the freeway that's cool, he'd point it out and tell you what it is and tell you what engine's in it and stuff. He was that guy. We would go to car shows on the weekends, and he would always be tinkering in the garage. It was always a part of my life. I love cars, and I like building things, and I like tinkering and doing stuff. It was just a natural place for me. But I always owned sports cars up until the… Was it the pandemic? No, it was previous to the pandemic, I decided I was really unhappy just in life. I woke up, I had a kid, Hawk was four at the time, and I just woke up one day and realized that I was really, really unhappy. I just had never really thought about my own happiness. It just never really dawned on me before. So I started to just think about what made me happy. And the answer to that was outside. I just wanted to go outside. And like I said, I had sports cars up until that point, and so I couldn't really do anything.

[00:29:23.060] - Angela Rickerson

So I remember thinking one day, I was like, I just want to go camping, and I can't. I can't because my car had low-profile tires, and it was just not going to work out. It was way too small. It just so happened that my kid went to preschool with one of my best guy friends, his two kids, and we were rolling up to preschool together. I rolled up in my little car, and he rolled up in his big Jeep. We pulled up together, and I just looked at his Jeep and I was like, That's perfect. What am I doing? Why do I have this stupid little car? I can't even get my dog in it. What am I doing? So I started talking to him about his Jeep, and I was asking him his advice. And it took him and I probably six months to find the Jeep that I bought, and that's the same Jeep that I have today. But, yeah, we found it, and it was perfect, exactly what I wanted. And from that point forward, my kid and I, we were just out. We were camping. We went to the mountains. And so my off-roading addiction began during the pandemic.

[00:30:50.240] - Angela Rickerson

So like I said before, I work in a restaurant. So the pandemic happened, and we were closed for nearly a year and a half. Wow. Yeah, because it's fine dining, right? We can't operate on a small level, and we can't do outdoor dining. It was a mess. My bosses are amazing, and they kept everyone employed, and they gave us jobs, and they really supported their staff. But I was home bored out of my brains with a little kid in the city in an apartment, and it was torture. I mean, it was absolute torture. In Seattle, they took the restrictions super, super seriously. We were literally locked in our apartment for months The minute the restrictions all lifted, I booked every campsite I could find. We were gone. We just left. It was me and my kid in in the Jeep on the road for weeks at a time, just constantly. We were just leaving. We would come home for a couple of days, then we'd get back in the Jeep and we'd go. I've always had a love of driving and a love of cars. We'd go out together, and it was always just him and I.

[00:32:22.100] - Angela Rickerson

We would do a little trail here and a little trail there. It just got me thinking, I was like, I can't be the only person that likes doing this stuff. I had no idea that there was the off-road community that there is. I had no clue. One day, I was driving home from a camping trip with my kid, and this person passed me. We were stuck in traffic, and this person passed me with this really nice Jeep. It was really built. It just dawned on me. I could make friends, and we could go do this with other people. That night, I was like, I wonder if Facebook has any Jeep groups. I'm going to go look. I typed it in, and holy F-balls, is there so many Jeep groups, right? I joined a couple of Jeep groups, and we started going out on runs. I My very first ever run was with, do you know Trails Off-Road?

[00:33:37.840] - Big Rich Klein

Yes.

[00:33:39.340] - Angela Rickerson

The Trails Off-Road mapping guys here in Western Washington are some really nice guys. They were mapping the Natchies area. This is years ago, probably five years ago. They were mapping that area, and they wanted some novice drivers to go with them so that they could report on how hard it was. I had never done an actual guided trail before. I'd never air down. I didn't even know that was a thing. I get there, it's me and my kid, and they're talking about it. I'm like, Okay, this is interesting. I got to air my tires down. I didn't know any of this. I had no recovery gear. I knew nothing. But I think there was about 12 rigs. I was super stuck, and we set out on this adventure that was literally probably 15 hours. It was a really long day of what now I would consider a 5 out of 10 difficulty, This is the first time I've ever done anything like this. It was really nerve-wracking at first. It was like, What in the world are we doing? About halfway through, I think we lost about three or four rigs, people breaking and breaking down.

[00:35:22.060] - Angela Rickerson

But about halfway through, I started to look around and realize that I was doing really good for being completely brand new. And the guys were coming up to me and slapping me on the back and being like, Hey, you're doing great, all this stuff. And I'm going to be like, Yeah, this is super fun. I was still really nervous, but that was the jumping in point. I started to realize, Okay, this is super fun. I'm having a great time. I'm out making friends. I have my kid. My kid is really feral, too, so he just got to run around. He is super feral. He loves to run around. He's very social, so he loves to talk to people. It was just a perfect scenario for us to be able to get out into nature. I'm totally an adrenaline junkie. So it was right there in my wheelhouse for learning new things, trying new things. But yeah, so I just started doing... I would literally do two, three trips a week during the pandemic. I was out constantly. And every time I came back from a trip, I would think, Okay, this one thing I didn't like about my performance, so maybe if I tweak this one thing on the Jeep, it'll perform better next time.

[00:36:50.580] - Angela Rickerson

You know how that snowballs.

[00:36:52.780] - Big Rich Klein

Oh, yes.

[00:36:54.000] - Angela Rickerson

You do one thing, and then that one thing causes another problem, so then you have to do that. Then It's just this huge snowball. Now the Jeep is in an extremely modified state and just constantly changing.

[00:37:10.360] - Big Rich Klein

You never get done building a Jeep or any off-road vehicle. No. I mean, there's always something new to add.

[00:37:18.740] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah, or you break something new, or there's new technology out, or whatever. But I mean, it's like adult Legos. It's super, super fun. Right.

[00:37:29.300] - Big Rich Klein

And expensive. Even on the overlanding side, right, Angelina?

[00:37:33.720] - Adriana Stovall

Yeah, totally. It's interesting because hearing Angela talk about her off-road experience and the community that she's in is so different than my off-roading experience. But there's so much overlap at the same time, too. It's like, like I said before, I'm more of an overlander. I am using my off-road vehicle to facilitate me going and seeing different places that have natural history significance. So I'm really big on, okay, there's a certain water body that I want to go see. Oh, the ancient Hirslecone Pine Forest. I want to go see these abandoned minds. I want to go see this rock formation I'm trying to spend a lot of time off the high blue 395, all through the Owens Valley, big on Hot Spring, stuff like that. So I'm like, there's something that I want to go see, and we're going to spend days going and hunting it and finding it. So that's my my style of off-roading. I have a group of people that I go off-roading with pretty often, and it's growing every day, especially through the Rebell platform. But I'm more of a solo off-roader than I always have been, and I really enjoy the solitude that comes from it.

[00:38:46.980] - Adriana Stovall

I'm not trying to go on a trail with 15 plus rigs and hang out with people all day. I hang out with people in my normal life. I'm trying to get away from people. You're going to catch me dispersing camping in the middle of nowhere on my own or with a very small group and just no light pollution, no noise, no city, no provisions for miles and miles. That's more of my style. But yeah, I've just, over the years, just modified my forerunner and just been improving it and really dialing in the storage system for all of our camping supplies on the inside and the outside. And just, especially now with the platform, working with a lot of partners that also want to help me out with my vehicle and not just Angela's Jeep that we run in the rally has been really cool, too, because we do a ton of training for the Rebell in my forerunner down in California because that's more of the terrain that's similar to what the Rebell course would be as opposed to what Angela has in the Pacific Northwest. Yes, true.

[00:39:54.840] - Big Rich Klein

Then let's talk more about the Rebell. How did you How did you guys find out about the REbell? Then how did you become partners? Who contacted who? Have you guys always done this together?

[00:40:15.140] - Adriana Stovall

No. So Angela, you want me to tell a little bit of the story, and then you can pop in?

[00:40:20.480] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah, no, go for it.

[00:40:21.800] - Adriana Stovall

Okay, cool. So I competed as a rookie in 2023, and I had a different partner than Angela. I competed with a girl named Jolene, and she was my first partner for the Rebell, and we were both rookies. It was funny how we met, very serendipitous way. We both lived in the same city, worked in the same city, and had a ton of mutual friends that had never crossed paths until we were at a bachelorette party in Austin, Texas, across the country. Jolene was registered for the Rebell, I think, or really interested, was going to for the Rebell, and she had a different navigator. She was the driver, also a Jeep girl, had a different navigator with her and picked out, and her navigator dropped out on her. And so Jolene had been looking for somebody for six months. And so we're just shooting the shit in the middle of a bar in Austin. And she's like, Oh, so what do you do for work? And I was like, man, my job's super weird. I just get a list of coordinates and a set of truck keys in the time that I got to be back.

[00:41:27.860] - Adriana Stovall

And she's like, What did you just say to me? Coordinates? Yeah. And she was like, We're going to talk when we get back into town. I have a proposition for you. So we met up and she told me all about the rebella. I had never heard of it before, and was like, I'm in. Say less. I'm in. So we competed together in 2023. Had an awesome time. We're still close friends to this day, thankfully. And then she wasn't going to be able to compete again in 2024. It's just you guys, you know how much work it is. It's a huge financial commitment. It's a huge time commitment, too. She just had some other priorities and wanted to focus on her own thing for a little while. I was looking for another partner and saw Angela post on Instagram that she really wanted to do the Rebell, and I was like, Dude, you got to do it. It's life changing. And then the conversation just snowballed from there, and we realized, Whoa, we have pretty similar personalities. She's interested. I'm out a partner and wanting to keep the momentum going, and I want to compete again.

[00:42:34.280] - Adriana Stovall

So we ended up having a FaceTime date and realized we just clicked right away. And so we competed in 2024 together, and now we're going to compete in 2025. This will be my second rebel, or my third rebel, and her second.

[00:42:50.920] - Big Rich Klein

Okay. Shelle and I used to, when the rebel was much smaller and first started off the first couple of years, even four or five years, we would try every night and every morning to sit at a different table with different teams. And that has become harder and harder to do because the event has gotten much larger, which is great. But it's harder to get to know everybody like we know the teams that have been around that have done 10 years, or nine years, or eight years. Because we always introduced ourselves. And so that is a lot different for staff nowadays because we're relegated off to the side during those community hours where everybody's together, which is the meals. And so it's hard to get to know everybody on a more personal basis. It's good to hear your stories.

[00:44:06.060] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah, I bet that's really hard, too, because being 8, 9 years in, you see all these people, and it's like you see them once a year and you just want to connect with them. Then having all the new people on top of that, it's super overwhelming. I was really overwhelmed, honestly, by just the amount of people at the Rebell. It was I was mentally just not prepared for it. I knew in my brain that this was going to be a thing, but it just didn't hit me because you think camping, serene out in the middle of the desert, and then you unzip your tent and it's a sea of tents, and then you go into the tent, and there's 300 people in there. It was just like, holy cow, this is just insane. And it's frantic, too, because everybody Time crunched. Time crunched and stressed. It's a wild, wild ride. I was really, really grateful to come in as a rookie with someone seasoned because I don't know how I would have done without Adriana, honestly, because you really prepped me for it. I was very, very aware of what I was getting into, but I was still just super overwhelmed.

[00:45:29.600] - Angela Rickerson

It It's a wild, wild thing.

[00:45:32.260] - Big Rich Klein

Yeah, it was a lot different when there was 30, 33 teams, 35 teams. And then all of a sudden, it became 50 teams, and then 60 teams. And it's like, holy mackrel. And then when you figure there's one staff person, pretty much for every single competitor, with all the duties that are the rebel, that it's... Yeah, the tent can get crowded.

[00:46:03.120] - Adriana Stovall

It's insane. I was telling Angela that the main thing that I was worried about, even not as a rookie, just coming back as a second-year competitor, spending all of that time around that many people day in, day out was the thing that worried me the most. Because I live alone. I mean, with my son, but I live alone, I work from home, and then all of my spare time is spent out in the boonies, in the sticks with nobody. I was like, I'm going to be super overwhelmed. Do we need to come up with a code word for when I just need to go recharge my battery by myself? And so Angela and I have our little system of like, and we're going to bed.

[00:46:43.100] - Angela Rickerson

Right.

[00:46:46.160] - Big Rich Klein

Yeah, see, I get energized with people. Shelle is more of the... Like yourself. She likes people in doses, but not overwhelmed. So it's good that we get to do the course because we get to sit out there all day long with just her and I and come up with fantastic ideas of things to do and then see the teams as they come through. It's not all at once. Of course, in the mornings and at dinner, that's a little bit different, but we're not in stress mode at that point.

[00:47:28.960] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah.

[00:47:30.680] - Adriana Stovall

I think I'm a little bit more shielded from it, though, because as a navigator, even when I'm inside of the base camp tent, I'm plodding, and my head is in the map, and I have earplugs in, and I'm not talking to anybody. I'm just shoveling food in, in between plodding checkpoints. And then Angela is the one who's listening to the driver's meeting, and talking to people, and dealing with the car, and packing up camp, and I'm just staring at my map, and I am zoning out and shutting out the rest of the world. So I have to thank Angela every day because I'm like, you deal with the brunt of the nonsense that I don't have the mental capacity to deal with. So thank you. And once we're in the car together, it's just... Talk about being feral. I mean, her and I just clicked so well. And that was the main thing that we connected about, was that we got to be our normal silly selves around each other. And it was such a relief that we didn't have to extend a bunch of energy, wearing a mask around each other. You You know what I mean?

[00:48:30.360] - Adriana Stovall

We were just completely comfortable. And that made the day in, day out, endurance portion of the rebel so much easier because we had such a safe place with each other. I can't think of... I don't know. Correct me if I'm wrong, Angela, but I can't remember a time where we got into an argument or really had a tense situation. Maybe a couple of times, a couple of frustrations. But hearing stories from other teams, how they had full-out and stomped away to their tents and didn't want to talk. I'm so grateful that we never had that experience.

[00:49:08.740] - Big Rich Klein

We witnessed some of that stuff, especially the early days, when Yeah, I think it's lucky that Adriana and I have really similar personalities.

[00:49:20.980] - Angela Rickerson

I think we're different in key ways as well, but we are a little on the chill side. I and also being more mature. I don't know. Is that a weird thing to say? I'm in my 40s, and I've been around the block. I'm not a drama person. I'm a mature person. I'm not a young hothead. Not anymore, I used to be. I think that she and I bring together some life experience that we can to draw from and know when to leave a room and also know when to shut down a conversation. We can be together and know something's going in a wrong place and just shut it down and be, I don't know, very helpful to each other and also to the people around us. Cool.

[00:50:27.260] - Big Rich Klein

How's the partnerships that you have going to help you do the Rebell?

[00:50:33.900] - Adriana Stovall

That has been such a cool journey. We have an opportunity to work with some of the coolest people, I swear. I know that when you have a partnership, and you Especially, they're supporting you financially for an endeavor like the Rebell, everybody says, Oh, we have the best partners in the world. We love them. But I'm being 100% genuine when I say that all of these people that we work with, they're the coolest, most down to earth people who are in this industry because they genuinely love the offerer community. They love overlanding, they're gear nerds, and they would be living this life even if they didn't work for the companies that they work for. And I think we really connect with them on a personal level as well as a professional level as well, because they know that we were living this lifestyle so much longer before we ever stumbled upon the rebel. Angela and I are just going to be these people regardless, and this is just our real life. It's not for Instagram. It's not for the likes. It's not for the follows. It's not for the money. This is just how we are.

[00:51:38.140] - Adriana Stovall

And I think that that comes through, especially on social media and stuff, because for me, I don't know, I'm going to get up on my soapbox a little bit. Sometimes I feel like social media can be such a minefield of what is genuine and what is just for show. And I'm sure you know that, too. And And I think that the love for the sport, like motor sports in general, can really just get lost in translation because it's like people are so focused on how many followers they have and how much they can monetize something. And I'm like, it's not about the money, it's not about the fame, it's about the community, it's about the people, it's about the love for what you're actually doing. And I love this so deeply. And even if the rebel fell off the map tomorrow, which I hope it never does, I would still be doing this stuff every weekend. I'd still be building my forerunner, I'd still be following my son on his dirt bike. You know what I mean? And I'd still be taking the pictures of all the rocks and the hot springs and the mountains and the deserts like I do, and I always have been.

[00:52:48.990] - Adriana Stovall

So it's like, I'm just grateful that we have all of these cool companies that support us in all these ways. And they put us in contact with other companies that want to get involved. And it's just grown. It's been super cool to see how much support there is for real people like us, not influencers. And being moms as well, being single moms, raising kids, and advocating for the outdoors. It's so refreshing because you get into this world and it's super intimidating. I'm like, What do you mean we have a Microsoft Teams meeting with KNN,, and Casey highlights, is this real life, Angela? How did we pull this off? Why do they believe in us? We're just people. And then you talk to them and they're just people. And then you just get to yapping and then realize that they're really cool people who think you're really cool people. I don't know. I could go on and on, but we have the best partners in the world, and I say that with the most genuine sentiment.

[00:53:51.980] - Big Rich Klein

Angela, what's your take on it all?

[00:53:59.040] - Angela Rickerson

It's been Just like she said, it's just honestly, I've been so overwhelmed and just like, bopsmacked with the support. For example, I have always been a huge, huge fan of Motoville and their products. They are, to me, just the gold standard of everything Jeep that's made, just engineered, anything bolt on, it's the highest quality. I've always loved their products. When I was first really looking into the rebel, I wanted to partner with companies that I believed in, and that was really important to me. There's a handful of companies that make really good stuff, but they're of jerks. People know it and people talk about it. Then there's also companies that put out stuff that's just crap. I was really- And people talk about it. People talk about it. I was just really trying to be mindful with what I put on my Jeep and what I was going to endorse because I didn't want to be one of those people that just took free stuff. And told other people it was good. At the beginning of my journey, I... Motobuilt was literally the only company I was interested in. I'm nobody. I am not cool.

[00:55:48.540] - Angela Rickerson

I'm nobody. I luckily have some really cool friends. I, at the beginning of this, reached out to some of my friends and I was like, Okay, Motobill is literally my only choice. It's either Motobill or I pay for everything. Either they partner with me or I'm just going to buy it. There's no other choice. It just so happened I thought that Aaron Mercer, he is the West Coast sales rep. He is friends, and he's friends with a bunch of my friends. I just so happened to get his contact info, right? So I stressed the fuck out over writing a letter and a proposal and all this stuff. I made this ultra professional letter and proposal and sent it to him and I was so stressed about it. He called me. He was like, I just want to talk to you. I was like, Okay. So he called me and we just talked. And he was just a normal, super nice person. And I was just like, Yeah, we would love to support you. I'm just so overwhelmed by that. At that time, I was just like, Oh, my God. Literally what I would consider the best company in Jeep parts just wanted to support us, and it was really cool.

[00:57:18.000] - Angela Rickerson

That's one of my most proud moments there. Then Casey Highlights jumped on board this year. I mean, we proposed. Honestly, I think they contacted us.

[00:57:30.340] - Adriana Stovall

Yeah, they reached out to you, right, Angela?

[00:57:32.940] - Angela Rickerson

Yeah. Then they reached out to me, and then I put together a proposal. Then we had a meeting, and they were like, Yeah, we'd love to jump on board. I'm just like, Are you sure? You guys are really cool. This is really cool. We have some amazing partners. Method Race Meals was one of our first partners. Motobuilt, Canon, Filters. Canon Filters has been insanely supportive of us. Then Front Runner Outfitters has been one of our, honestly, biggest supports. I am so happy that they're on our team because they provide so much of our gear. 90% of our gear, I'd say, is all front runner.

[00:58:23.220] - Adriana Stovall

We wouldn't be able to do the rebel without Front Runner. I can see that so confidently. I don't know if we could. No, we really couldn't. I don't know that there's another company out there that even makes the full variety of products that front runner does that would be able to replace them. They're just irreplaceable. And on top of it, they're super cool, nice, down to earth people, and their headquarters is 15 minutes from my house. So any time that I'm like, Hey, I need something, they're like, Just roll over to the warehouse. I just went over to their research and development workshop to get some help putting some components on my roof rack for the KC highlights that they had sent me a bunch of stuff for the forerunner because that's our training vehicle. And the fact that a lot of these companies work together and they're all in the same circle has made things really easy. So it's like an easier sell, I think, for our team. Hey, we're partnered with Front Runner and Dometic, and Casey was like, Oh, yeah, we know them really well and work with them all the time.

[00:59:23.160] - Adriana Stovall

No problem. This makes sense for us. It's just grown. I love that Angela and I can stay really true to our style and our personalities and the vision for our team, and that everybody is really excited about supporting us in that capacity. We're not getting a lot of pressure to be a certain persona online. It's just we're doing what we're doing, and these products and these companies are just facilitating our journey. And so it's been awesome.

[00:59:59.640] - Big Rich Klein

That's super cool. Is there anybody else that you haven't mentioned yet that you want to give a shout out to, as a partner?

[01:00:05.820] - Adriana Stovall

Oh, yeah. Well, I can direct everybody to our website. We have a team website. It's doublearally. Com, and we have all of our 2025 partners, and then we also have a page dedicated to our 2024 partners. So, yeah, we have Front Runner and Dmetic. They're like sister, like partner companies. Kc highlights, Motobill, ProEagle. Plus we have Canon, Wilchers, Scrub Blade, Wipers, Go Fast Girls. Last year we had Cafe Moto. The list goes on. You know better than anybody rich how much fundraising, goFast, Girls. Last year, we had CafeMoto. The list goes on. You know better than anybody, Rich, how much fundraising, to your teams like us. We're not a factory-sponsored team that gets our whole registration cost paid by one sponsor. We have to hustle all year long to raise probably about $25,000, if not a little bit more, to be able to get to the start line. So it is a scramble, and we're doing giveaways and raffles and getting our partners to provide us gear as well as registration fees and stuff. And so it's a lot. We're so lucky that we have the support team that we do.

[01:01:15.880] - Big Rich Klein

Excellent. Well, there's got to be a reason that these companies have backed you, and are continuing to. Being an event promoter for 25 years, it's really hard to find partners that... And then once you do, sometimes keeping them and then expanding on them and adding to is... It's a constant... It's a job. It's not a... It's just not, Hey, call up and say, Hey, support me. That doesn't happen very often where somebody will go, Yeah, let's do that. So it is a job. You got to have a return on their investment for them. And I know I've seen the 102 Jeep out at different events, watching social media, and then also being up at Where were we at? It was Tacoma? Was that where we were at with the rally?

[01:02:22.740] - Adriana Stovall

Oh, the Women in Motorsport Summit.

[01:02:24.490] - Big Rich Klein

Yeah, Women in Motorsport Summit. Yeah. That's great for your partners.

[01:02:30.000] - Adriana Stovall

Totally. Angela and I, it's funny because we joke all the time that the job that I have being a consultant, so much of my job is business development and marketing and proposals. And so those skills directly translate to what we have to do for our partnerships for the rebel. And so it's like, oh, yeah, I'll put together a proposal, schedule that meeting. Let me go ahead and have this whole slideshow pulled up of what they're going to get out of this partnership. It just really easily to I look at it through the off-road lens, as opposed to my consulting, like WaterShedSciences' lens. So it was funny. And Angela has this inside joke. She's like, Girl, we killed that meeting. Your consultant was showing.

[01:03:14.720] - Big Rich Klein

That's awesome.

[01:03:16.300] - Adriana Stovall

Yeah. And then all the events, too.

[01:03:19.940] - Big Rich Klein

What's your goal this year?

[01:03:24.280] - Adriana Stovall

Angela, you want to take that?

[01:03:27.680] - Angela Rickerson

Goal for the Rebell or just in general?

[01:03:30.000] - Big Rich Klein

Let's say the Rebell.

[01:03:33.580] - Angela Rickerson

I would say it's probably going to be pretty similar to last year's goal. Last year's goal for me, and I'm just going to speak for myself, was to get the Jeep through the Rebell without breaking it, without getting stuck, and having a good relationship with my teammate at the end. That was really my goal. I think that that is the goal for this year. We didn't do horribly last year. We did, I think, 33rd, but I would really like to see us at least jump 10 points this year, and I think we can do that. I think last year, I'll take responsibility for my stupid mistakes. I had quite a few stupid little mistakes that cost us points here and there. I think coming in with more confidence, knowing what I'm getting into, and one year under my belt, I'm feeling pretty confident that we can do even better this year. So, yeah, I'm thinking those are my goals for this year. What do you think, Adriana?

[01:04:49.820] - Adriana Stovall

Yeah, I would have to agree. And I just want to be clear, Angela, just so everyone can hear on this podcast, you did incredible as a rookie. So even though I've done rebel, now it'll be three times. I still made a ton of mistakes, and it wasn't even my first year. So that's just the way the cookie crumbles. It's so much of an endurance event and keeping your head in the game, and just the grueling conditions and all the different terrains that you're covering and the distance that you're covering every single day. It wears anybody down, and Emily talks about it all the time, how it's just a pressure cooker, and there's so many details to to remember. I made a ton of mistakes last year, and I'm like, what's my excuse? I know how this works. I should have never forgotten that or let that happen. But it's just being out in the elements. It just really makes your brain just, yeah, not function with all the brain cells. Well, it's relentless.

[01:05:49.060] - Big Rich Klein

There's a lot of hours in the day. As a navigator, you're constantly plotting and then trying to make sure that you're on course. And then as a driver, you're trying... Like Emily says, a navigator will get you lost, a driver will get you killed. Right. There's a lot of things to think about. I mean, there's just when we cross a paved road, or we have to go down a paved road for a couple of miles, or on a transit day where you have long distances Sometimes on the paved roads, you're so used to being out there in the dirt where there's nobody else around. And then all of a sudden, we throw you on the pavement, and it's like, dang. It's almost like... And it's not city driving by any means, because where we go, there's towns, but there's no cities, per se.

[01:06:55.060] - Adriana Stovall

We've been really lucky that the course that Emily and her team designed for us. They're mind-blowing. They're beautiful. They're scenic, and they're challenging. And I would say that my goal for the 2025 Rebell Rally is to also jump about 10 places. I want to be out of the 30s. That's my bare minimum goal for this year. And I want to be somewhere in the 20s. Being mid-20s would be amazing. But I also understand that every single year that I'm getting better as a navigator and becoming more of a seasoned rebel. My competition is also doing the same. We're all growing and improving together. Now that it's the 10-year anniversary of the rebel, I feel like the competition is so stiff. It's anybody's game. They're adding an additional stage for us this year. I have a feeling it's probably going to be the longest rally to date. I mean, how could they do a 10-year anniversary and not make it the longest rally to date? We're not ending in Glamis, again. They had ended in Glamis so many in a row. And then last year we ended in Johnson Valley, and now this year we're ending in needles.

[01:08:04.230] - Adriana Stovall

So there's just a lot that goes into it. I would say top of my priority list is retaining my relationship with Angela. That is making sure that we are a cohesive, well-oiled machine inside and outside of the car, and preserving that friendship above all else, and concentrating on not repeating the mistakes that I made in 2024, and obviously Really hoping that that translates to better standings this year. I feel really lucky that we're competing again together this year because we already had all of the framework for how a privateer team needs to hustle in terms of fundraising. We already had that built from 2024. So this year, it was cookie cutter, update it to 2025, work with the same partners, maybe try to grow those relationships a little bit more. We didn't have to build the framework as much as we did the first year together. The website was already up, the spreadsheets were already saved, the photos and the proposals were already drafted. That part was easy this year. And we got to focus on training quite a bit more. And on that same note, we actually, with a bunch of other rebel teams, formed a training co-op, where everybody that's part of the co-op agreed to design and host a training weekend.

[01:09:30.000] - Adriana Stovall

So I got to design and host one up in the Los Padres, like Ballinger and Apache Canyons, which was really special. And then all the other teams that are participating in the co-up got to do the same, so I got to attend. And so it was really great being able to As a navigator, I felt like I was able to improve my skills by reverse engineering, almost. Designing checkpoint guides and enduros and free running the course and being the sweeper at the end of the group. It made me look at the map and me look at the REbell format in a totally different light. And then being able to attend other events that other people were designing and putting on was such a treat because we love the REbell U courses that the REbell puts on, but They're really expensive, and as they should be, they're fantastic content. But as a privateer team that are just trying to hustle to get to the start line, we don't have an extra three grand to throw at these professional training courses. Being able to train with other rebel teams that we're really close with and being able to see their skills and try to keep up with them or vice versa was invaluable.

[01:10:41.380] - Adriana Stovall

We focused a lot more on training this year, and I'm really hoping that that translates to our standings.

[01:10:46.360] - Big Rich Klein

Excellent. As a sweeper, don't be coming for my job.

[01:10:53.160] - Adriana Stovall

We're just going to wave, and now that we know you better, Rich, we'll just wave at you and Sherry and be like, Oh, we know them. We know them.

[01:11:01.980] - Big Rich Klein

There you go.

[01:11:02.820] - Adriana Stovall

They're our friends.

[01:11:04.920] - Big Rich Klein

Well, that's one thing we try to be out there, is the first couple of years, Sherry got the course Mom moniker, you might say. When teams were hitting the wall or individuals on a team were hitting a wall, they could always go and talk to Sherry, and Shelle, being the mom that she is, was able to talk them off the ledge, you might say, and they all improved their experience. So she's got a knack for that. Me, it's just I'm willing to drive anywhere. It doesn't matter what I'm driving. If I need to go someplace, I go. I don't get tired of driving. I love to drive, so it works perfect.

[01:12:00.200] - Adriana Stovall

That's awesome. We're so happy to see you guys as smiling faces out there, and the Rebell staff are amazing. I've made some really great friends out of meeting all of you guys. It's just like the conditions that we're in and the level of exhaustion that we're experiencing when we see somebody's car that has the crew sticker on the side, what a relief it is to us in the car. We're like, We're in the right spot. Okay, we're not as lost as we thought we were.

[01:12:30.000] - Big Rich Klein

Even if you are, we have eyes on you.

[01:12:32.900] - Adriana Stovall

Right. It just makes us feel safe and happy and then getting to eat dinner with everybody and just conversations that you have waiting in line for the porta-potty even. It's just special to us. This community is so cool. The Rebell is just... I was telling Angela, it feels like the Venn diagram of my life, the rebel is right in the middle because it's like I have this adventurous personal lifestyle, and then I have this very nature natural resources, public lands focused career, and then the off-roading stuff that I like to do. Then women and female empowerment and being a single mom. All of it just came together and I was like, Oh, my God, this is what I need to be doing with my life. How did I not find this sooner?

[01:13:20.160] - Big Rich Klein

It is addicting. I hope that we see you out there for years and years.

[01:13:29.680] - Adriana Stovall

I need I'm too.

[01:13:30.680] - Angela Rickerson

I'm too. I have a feeling you will. Good. Yeah.

[01:13:34.120] - Adriana Stovall

Great. That's the goal. That's the ultimate goal.

[01:13:37.240] - Big Rich Klein

Perfect. So I want to say thank you, ladies, for joining me on Conversations with Big Rich and talking about yourselves and sharing your life stories to a point and what your dreams and aspirations are as far as the rebel. And it's refreshing, and I enjoyed it.

[01:14:01.240] - Angela Rickerson

It was really nice to talk with you. I see you doing these things. I've listened to your podcast, and I just I think you're so cool, and I'm really honored to be on your show.

[01:14:13.720] - Big Rich Klein

Well, I'm happy to have you guys. Thank you so much. I'll let you know when this thing airs, and I hope you enjoy hearing yourselves.

[01:14:25.660] - Adriana Stovall

Thanks so much, Rich.

[01:14:27.320] - Angela Rickerson

It's always such a weird experience.

[01:14:30.000] - Big Rich Klein

It is. The first three months that I did podcasts, I didn't know what I was doing, what I was trying to do. I had a concept, and Sherry had been trying to get me to do this for years. And then we were sitting in COVID restrictions in Texas in our hotel, and nobody was in the hotel with us. And I was bored out of my mind. And I walked I went up where Shelle was working, and I said, Okay, talk to me about this podcast thing you want to do. And six years later, I'm still doing it.

[01:15:11.330] - Adriana Stovall

So fun stuff. So awesome. Yeah. Well, thanks again, Rich. It was so nice to get to know you better. We can't wait to see you at the start line. It's going to be here before we know it. Oh, my God.

[01:15:21.290] - Big Rich Klein

Yes. I think Sherry said we're less than 60 days away or something like that.

[01:15:26.880] - Adriana Stovall

That's crazy. Don't tell me I'm going to have a panic attack. There's so much to do.

[01:15:34.440] - Angela Rickerson

All right.

[01:15:35.740] - Big Rich Klein

Thank you all so much. And you guys have a great evening. And we'll talk to you later.

[01:15:41.340] - Adriana Stovall

All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

[01:15:42.710] - Big Rich Klein

Okay. Thank you. Good night.

[01:15:44.980] - Adriana Stovall

Good night.

[01:15:46.660] - Big Rich Klein

Well, that's another episode of Conversations with Big Rich. I'd like to thank you all for listening. If you could do us a favor and leave us a review on any podcast service that you happen to be listening on, or send us an email or a text message or a Facebook message, and let me know any ideas that you have, or if there's anybody that you have that you think would be a great guest, please forward the contact information to me so that we can try to get them on. And always remember, live life to the fullest. Enjoying life is a must. Follow your dreams and live life with all the gusto you can. Thank you.